Dear Seniors,
I am in a fix of how should i take things forward. I have 8yrs of experience majorly in admin. I have recently joined this firm(4months back) as an administrator, but I am not fine with the job profile and the environment. As, I had left my previous organization for better prospects(It was a big organization and my job profile was restricted,I wanted to learn)
Basically, this is a small architectural firm with only 24 employees. I have 3staffs to work under me (2office boys and a receptionist) in admin. But all of them make me feel that I work under them. There were times when all of them have raised voice on me may be cause I am younger than them (I am just 24) and also cause they are working since the company has established.
There is no specific job profile I have been given since I have joined. The management(Owners-A husband and wife) had hired me to maintain or rather make discipline in the office. When asked about the profile, I was told that I will have to take initiative and work on my own. I was surprised to know that but thought may be I will have to struggle till I settle down. They did not have any hr policies, so I took initiative worked upon it and proposed a set of policies with the help of Cite hr site but it was in vain. They had a complain that the staff's were never on time so I started noting timings and suggested that we put late marks. I would make an excel sheet and submit it every week. Even that was in vain. I maintained records of AMC, Bills, Staffs details, scheduled interviews, handled mails, make offer, experience letters etc. but never was appreciated for my work. So, I started doing tasks they delegate me to do. In 4months I have been only getting their office cabinets cleaned, filings done(approximately 1500) all alone. If I delegate any work to the admin staff they would back answer me & literally refuse doing it. When I took it to my boss about it she wouldn't believe. At times they have even lied in front of the boss saying something else to me and totally different to her.
I can understand that its difficult for them to accept that they have to work under a girl younger than them. But, I have never made them feel that I am senior to them infact it has always been vice a versa. Now the scenario is that, my boss taunts me every second day that I am not good at management and maintenance. I am not organized and so on. It hurts cause I have always been praised for my work in all my professional career till now. I am not even given my appointment letter till now.(The boss says she will give tomorrow since the 1st day I have joined, I thought she was organized). She never liked me talking to the staffs(I thought admin and hr was always to hear the staff's grief, they have set cameras all over so that the staffs di bit chat and only do work, I was myself not ok with as as I myself believe in enjoying my job rather than doing it for the sake of doing & at the end of the day it is the performance that matters which I found they delivered)The only thing that has kept everyone going is the package the company offered. But now I see many staff's putting down their papers. I have got to know from the entire staff's that they have cried blood tears as both are rude and make them work like slaves. They are never satisfied and would always have complaints. The staffs work till 9 and 12 pm at times and have not got any OT's or even breakfast or dinner.
Now I have made up my mind to give up this job, its better to leave If my bosses & me both are not happy with each other. Also, I can't compromise with my self respect listening things when it's not my mistake at all. I have understood that I can change my pattern of work but I can change people's attitude.
My question now is do I need to serve any notice period?I have not got appointment letter, I was just sent an offer letter before joining through mail which I dint signed as I never got a hard copy neither replied the mail. But, my name is mentioned in their attendance register(that's the only proof of me working). Should I be mentioning this 4months experience in my Resume or should I show it as a gap before I join somewhere else (which might affect my Resume but I am still doubtful would it seem good if I mention it, that I am leaving a firm in such a little span of time?)
Also, I am attaching my resume, for any suggestions and improvement.
Pls suggest. I will be thankful.
Regards,
Rashi Shinde.
From India, Mumbai
2I am in a fix of how should i take things forward. I have 8yrs of experience majorly in admin. I have recently joined this firm(4months back) as an administrator, but I am not fine with the job profile and the environment. As, I had left my previous organization for better prospects(It was a big organization and my job profile was restricted,I wanted to learn)
Basically, this is a small architectural firm with only 24 employees. I have 3staffs to work under me (2office boys and a receptionist) in admin. But all of them make me feel that I work under them. There were times when all of them have raised voice on me may be cause I am younger than them (I am just 24) and also cause they are working since the company has established.
There is no specific job profile I have been given since I have joined. The management(Owners-A husband and wife) had hired me to maintain or rather make discipline in the office. When asked about the profile, I was told that I will have to take initiative and work on my own. I was surprised to know that but thought may be I will have to struggle till I settle down. They did not have any hr policies, so I took initiative worked upon it and proposed a set of policies with the help of Cite hr site but it was in vain. They had a complain that the staff's were never on time so I started noting timings and suggested that we put late marks. I would make an excel sheet and submit it every week. Even that was in vain. I maintained records of AMC, Bills, Staffs details, scheduled interviews, handled mails, make offer, experience letters etc. but never was appreciated for my work. So, I started doing tasks they delegate me to do. In 4months I have been only getting their office cabinets cleaned, filings done(approximately 1500) all alone. If I delegate any work to the admin staff they would back answer me & literally refuse doing it. When I took it to my boss about it she wouldn't believe. At times they have even lied in front of the boss saying something else to me and totally different to her.
I can understand that its difficult for them to accept that they have to work under a girl younger than them. But, I have never made them feel that I am senior to them infact it has always been vice a versa. Now the scenario is that, my boss taunts me every second day that I am not good at management and maintenance. I am not organized and so on. It hurts cause I have always been praised for my work in all my professional career till now. I am not even given my appointment letter till now.(The boss says she will give tomorrow since the 1st day I have joined, I thought she was organized). She never liked me talking to the staffs(I thought admin and hr was always to hear the staff's grief, they have set cameras all over so that the staffs di bit chat and only do work, I was myself not ok with as as I myself believe in enjoying my job rather than doing it for the sake of doing & at the end of the day it is the performance that matters which I found they delivered)The only thing that has kept everyone going is the package the company offered. But now I see many staff's putting down their papers. I have got to know from the entire staff's that they have cried blood tears as both are rude and make them work like slaves. They are never satisfied and would always have complaints. The staffs work till 9 and 12 pm at times and have not got any OT's or even breakfast or dinner.
Now I have made up my mind to give up this job, its better to leave If my bosses & me both are not happy with each other. Also, I can't compromise with my self respect listening things when it's not my mistake at all. I have understood that I can change my pattern of work but I can change people's attitude.
My question now is do I need to serve any notice period?I have not got appointment letter, I was just sent an offer letter before joining through mail which I dint signed as I never got a hard copy neither replied the mail. But, my name is mentioned in their attendance register(that's the only proof of me working). Should I be mentioning this 4months experience in my Resume or should I show it as a gap before I join somewhere else (which might affect my Resume but I am still doubtful would it seem good if I mention it, that I am leaving a firm in such a little span of time?)
Also, I am attaching my resume, for any suggestions and improvement.
Pls suggest. I will be thankful.
Regards,
Rashi Shinde.
From India, Mumbai
No replies yet??? Dear Seniors, this is very urgent and I need your suggestions and advices on immediate basis as I am on the verge of giving up... Hope you understand the urgency and reply. I will be grateful.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Dear Rashi, Pls find the answers to your queries:
You do not have any copy of offer letter neither do the organization have any acceptance copy from you.
Name in the Register is fine as they do not have any other details except your name. That is not enough to ground you to your existing job.
In that case, you do not even need to give a formal resignation letter (when you have not got any appointment letter and neither have you accepted the offer given by company, how can you resign)
So the question of serving the notice period does not arise.
As I said there are no proofs of this employment, you cannot put it on your resume because if someone asks you to give your appointment letter, you cannot produce it.
Hope it was of help :)
From India, Mumbai
You do not have any copy of offer letter neither do the organization have any acceptance copy from you.
Name in the Register is fine as they do not have any other details except your name. That is not enough to ground you to your existing job.
In that case, you do not even need to give a formal resignation letter (when you have not got any appointment letter and neither have you accepted the offer given by company, how can you resign)
So the question of serving the notice period does not arise.
As I said there are no proofs of this employment, you cannot put it on your resume because if someone asks you to give your appointment letter, you cannot produce it.
Hope it was of help :)
From India, Mumbai
Take appointment letter as well and experience letter from them. You have to show your experience in your Resume' irrespective it is of 4 months or 4 years.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Devesh,
I can understand that an experience of 4 months also is too much for us as employee.... but if you look at it as a recruiter, you wouldn't want to hire some one who's left his/her recent job in 3-6 months time, irrespective of what genuine reason they've to share for same.
The explaining part comes second, first you need to be called to explain the situation. Most recruiters wouldn't touch this kind of resume unless they've no other option.
Saying so coz I've myself worked in a consultancy and we've certain working procedures to follow... I myself discarded such CVs. Sharing personal experience so that you can tk better decision...
Hope it was of some help :)
From India, Mumbai
I can understand that an experience of 4 months also is too much for us as employee.... but if you look at it as a recruiter, you wouldn't want to hire some one who's left his/her recent job in 3-6 months time, irrespective of what genuine reason they've to share for same.
The explaining part comes second, first you need to be called to explain the situation. Most recruiters wouldn't touch this kind of resume unless they've no other option.
Saying so coz I've myself worked in a consultancy and we've certain working procedures to follow... I myself discarded such CVs. Sharing personal experience so that you can tk better decision...
Hope it was of some help :)
From India, Mumbai
Dear Ms. Rashi,
Do your job there for at least six months, if you get any option in between this then accept that. For the time being do not mention your this job in your resume. look its d matte of your career. they are not saying you to put down your letter. so try to manage there. You are the boss of your juniors, you have behaved in a descent manner with them till date but its d time now for you to prove them that you are some thing. till the time you do not give respect to yourself others will not give. You have to force them to do what you say, if they make any complain to your boss explain the matter to them.
You have to learn this technique, how to run the organisation with anty sub-ordinates. it may happen in future you have to face this kind of condition in some other organisation. at that time this experience will help you.
Do not join any organization where there is a family is running a business, its not a business its a time pass.
From India, Kolkata
Do your job there for at least six months, if you get any option in between this then accept that. For the time being do not mention your this job in your resume. look its d matte of your career. they are not saying you to put down your letter. so try to manage there. You are the boss of your juniors, you have behaved in a descent manner with them till date but its d time now for you to prove them that you are some thing. till the time you do not give respect to yourself others will not give. You have to force them to do what you say, if they make any complain to your boss explain the matter to them.
You have to learn this technique, how to run the organisation with anty sub-ordinates. it may happen in future you have to face this kind of condition in some other organisation. at that time this experience will help you.
Do not join any organization where there is a family is running a business, its not a business its a time pass.
From India, Kolkata
Dear Ms. Rashi,
Mr. A had suggested an excellent technique of handling subordinates but this will work out when your bosses are co-operative and supporting you. If not, compromise with the situation and keep on trying to get an alternative as suggested by Mr. A.
As per my view, It would be descent to inform your employer prior to your leaving the organisation. If you leave without information, it would amount to absconding which is not desirable even if you had not been issued with the appointment letter but verbal contract may be existed there with you.
Regards and wish you all the best.
T.M. Rao
From India, Jamshedpur
Mr. A had suggested an excellent technique of handling subordinates but this will work out when your bosses are co-operative and supporting you. If not, compromise with the situation and keep on trying to get an alternative as suggested by Mr. A.
As per my view, It would be descent to inform your employer prior to your leaving the organisation. If you leave without information, it would amount to absconding which is not desirable even if you had not been issued with the appointment letter but verbal contract may be existed there with you.
Regards and wish you all the best.
T.M. Rao
From India, Jamshedpur
Hi
This had happened to me also, some companies are like that only. As you are having 8 years of experience you have to tell truth to the new employer regarding this company scenario. As I was having only two years of experience when it happened to me but I always told truth in my interview and employers understand this thing. If they find honesty and truth in you they will definately select you. But I want to tell you one thing move fast into another company instead of wasting more time in such company better take a call and move ahead as I did in two months only.
The sky is very high and you will definately get good job and you are working in nagpur.
Thanks and Regards
Ritu Kadyan
From India, Pune
This had happened to me also, some companies are like that only. As you are having 8 years of experience you have to tell truth to the new employer regarding this company scenario. As I was having only two years of experience when it happened to me but I always told truth in my interview and employers understand this thing. If they find honesty and truth in you they will definately select you. But I want to tell you one thing move fast into another company instead of wasting more time in such company better take a call and move ahead as I did in two months only.
The sky is very high and you will definately get good job and you are working in nagpur.
Thanks and Regards
Ritu Kadyan
From India, Pune
Dear Ms. Rashi,
I agreed with Ms. Ritu this type of problems occurs in small companies. firstly don't worry about joining letter and other clearance from your current company. if you told truth for not showing joining, offer letter in interview they will definitely consider your talk.
In small scale company this type of things happens like sub - ordinates not obeying your orders etc. You can't implement or apply HR policies in this type of company because rules will change according to sub-ordinates near and dear to proprietor of the company. So please before doing anything try to get small note approval for that work. Some times this may be happen they will say i never told to you for doing this work.
Try to get job in another company and till you are working in this company enjoy your work and forget about joining letter i don't think they will give you that letter.
Try to settle your account every time so that if you will get your desired tomorrow then you can leave that company without any settlement like salary,advances etc.
Best of luck and don't think you are wasting your time. You will get this type of sub - ordinate in another company also so try to control subordinate's responsibility.
Pardeep
From India, Jamshedpur
I agreed with Ms. Ritu this type of problems occurs in small companies. firstly don't worry about joining letter and other clearance from your current company. if you told truth for not showing joining, offer letter in interview they will definitely consider your talk.
In small scale company this type of things happens like sub - ordinates not obeying your orders etc. You can't implement or apply HR policies in this type of company because rules will change according to sub-ordinates near and dear to proprietor of the company. So please before doing anything try to get small note approval for that work. Some times this may be happen they will say i never told to you for doing this work.
Try to get job in another company and till you are working in this company enjoy your work and forget about joining letter i don't think they will give you that letter.
Try to settle your account every time so that if you will get your desired tomorrow then you can leave that company without any settlement like salary,advances etc.
Best of luck and don't think you are wasting your time. You will get this type of sub - ordinate in another company also so try to control subordinate's responsibility.
Pardeep
From India, Jamshedpur
Dear Rashi,
Once you have not got the letter of appointment there is no obligation on your part to tender resignation. Further, in the given circumstances:
1. Please make it a point not to go for a company as small as this and that too run by the family,
2. Please leave the job forthwith and start looking for another one.
3. Ignore the period of service rendered in the current organisation and show a gap in your service due to any valid reason such as medical grounds or so.
Regards
s.k.johri
From India, Delhi
Once you have not got the letter of appointment there is no obligation on your part to tender resignation. Further, in the given circumstances:
1. Please make it a point not to go for a company as small as this and that too run by the family,
2. Please leave the job forthwith and start looking for another one.
3. Ignore the period of service rendered in the current organisation and show a gap in your service due to any valid reason such as medical grounds or so.
Regards
s.k.johri
From India, Delhi
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