Hi All,
On 19th Dec, 2005 I joined a Software company (04th in India) in HR. Basically I am from Manufacturing Industry and my previous employer also is a very large industry. In the month of May, the appraisal process started and my Boss is very happy with me and he informed me that I am doing excepnally well. Infact he also mentioned the same in my CDP. But when it came to rating he gave me less mentioning that you dont worry about rating, since you are very new I had to give this rating. Next year I assure that your salary is doubled. He also asked me to concentrate more on my career point of view than salary point of view. Basically he is very senior level person (Director) and a genuine guy.
Though I felt bad in the beginning, now I am looking it from the Organisation point of view and consoled myself with whatever I got.
Please give your thoughts.
From India, Hyderabad
1On 19th Dec, 2005 I joined a Software company (04th in India) in HR. Basically I am from Manufacturing Industry and my previous employer also is a very large industry. In the month of May, the appraisal process started and my Boss is very happy with me and he informed me that I am doing excepnally well. Infact he also mentioned the same in my CDP. But when it came to rating he gave me less mentioning that you dont worry about rating, since you are very new I had to give this rating. Next year I assure that your salary is doubled. He also asked me to concentrate more on my career point of view than salary point of view. Basically he is very senior level person (Director) and a genuine guy.
Though I felt bad in the beginning, now I am looking it from the Organisation point of view and consoled myself with whatever I got.
Please give your thoughts.
From India, Hyderabad
:lol:hi i am happy that u proved ur talent to boss with in short period as he told keep on concentrate more on ur work all the best
Dear prab,
You are the best judge in the situation and should do what you instinct tells you to do, but from the point of view of HR, I would just like to say, what ever is put in writing goes into record. You know and so do we all, verbal assurances have very little meaning especially to me. God forbid, you appraiser might leave the Organsiation or he might not be there in future who knows, so what will be there for you to show?? The documented Performance Appraisor Forms.
In the end, you be the best judge, I am not trying to tell you or judging or commenting on the integrity of the person or doubting your instincts and capabilities, but we from the old fashioned management school believe in putting every thing in writing kyon jane kaal hoo na hoo.
Kind Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
You are the best judge in the situation and should do what you instinct tells you to do, but from the point of view of HR, I would just like to say, what ever is put in writing goes into record. You know and so do we all, verbal assurances have very little meaning especially to me. God forbid, you appraiser might leave the Organsiation or he might not be there in future who knows, so what will be there for you to show?? The documented Performance Appraisor Forms.
In the end, you be the best judge, I am not trying to tell you or judging or commenting on the integrity of the person or doubting your instincts and capabilities, but we from the old fashioned management school believe in putting every thing in writing kyon jane kaal hoo na hoo.
Kind Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
I presume CDP is some kind of Development Plan. And I guess that his commending comments about you are what he actually wrote up in your formal performance appraisal sheet. If he didn’t, I would be tactfully suggesting to him that he write his verbal comments in the report. If he refuses for any reason, the alarm bells should start ringing (meaning that you should become very concerned).
You are in a politically difficult position, so I would not enter into any kind of heated argument with him over his written comments or the rating. Just suggesting a course of action, I feel, is really the best approach at this phase of your career in this organization. Reading between the lines, I suspect that he is keeping the rating down to keep his costs down. He will be under budgetary constraints, and so keeping his salary overheads down will help him meet his objectives (though, of course, not yours).
Now this is assuming that he must meet his own department’s salary costs. I may be mistaken on this as well as my overall intuition. I have only what you say to go on, so I speak *very* tentatively. On the basis of what you have said, I would not raise a fuss this year and see what happens next year. Keep working to the best of your ability and in the meantime, you could try to find out whether your manager is responsible for the salary costs in his department (or maybe for the whole company). If he really is a Director of the company, then this could be assured.
If the same things happen next year, at least you will have proved your worth in the meantime and you would be feeling more comfortable about your bargaining position. Next year, you could start to apply some gently pressure to get salary justice. If you really are good, your bargaining position will have improved as it will cost the company a fair amount of money in recruitment costs, missed productivity and training costs to find a replacement for you.
I wish you the best of luck.
Vicki Heath
Human Resources Software and Resources
http://www.businessperform.com
From Australia, Melbourne
You are in a politically difficult position, so I would not enter into any kind of heated argument with him over his written comments or the rating. Just suggesting a course of action, I feel, is really the best approach at this phase of your career in this organization. Reading between the lines, I suspect that he is keeping the rating down to keep his costs down. He will be under budgetary constraints, and so keeping his salary overheads down will help him meet his objectives (though, of course, not yours).
Now this is assuming that he must meet his own department’s salary costs. I may be mistaken on this as well as my overall intuition. I have only what you say to go on, so I speak *very* tentatively. On the basis of what you have said, I would not raise a fuss this year and see what happens next year. Keep working to the best of your ability and in the meantime, you could try to find out whether your manager is responsible for the salary costs in his department (or maybe for the whole company). If he really is a Director of the company, then this could be assured.
If the same things happen next year, at least you will have proved your worth in the meantime and you would be feeling more comfortable about your bargaining position. Next year, you could start to apply some gently pressure to get salary justice. If you really are good, your bargaining position will have improved as it will cost the company a fair amount of money in recruitment costs, missed productivity and training costs to find a replacement for you.
I wish you the best of luck.
Vicki Heath
Human Resources Software and Resources
http://www.businessperform.com
From Australia, Melbourne
100 Marks to what Swastik73 said.
Oral comunication does not hold any value in an organization. If someone else check the records, you are not rated high abd that is what matters. So, you know the situation well and you are best judge for this situation. If you think that you deserve more rise in your pay according to your work with this organization go ahead and fight for it. If he says that next time, you would be haing double hike, ask him to put that on papaers as of today's date. WRITTEN way of comunicaion is always best in any profession.
Regards,
Kiran.
From Netherlands
Oral comunication does not hold any value in an organization. If someone else check the records, you are not rated high abd that is what matters. So, you know the situation well and you are best judge for this situation. If you think that you deserve more rise in your pay according to your work with this organization go ahead and fight for it. If he says that next time, you would be haing double hike, ask him to put that on papaers as of today's date. WRITTEN way of comunicaion is always best in any profession.
Regards,
Kiran.
From Netherlands
HI PRAB,
I DO STRONGLY AGREE WITH MR.SWASTIK REGARDING YOUR CASE IS CONCERNED. BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IN HR FIELD EVERYTHING IS TO KEPT OR SHOWN IN WRITTEN OR IN A DOCUMENT,THEN ONLY IT DO HAVE A VALUE.VERBAL SAYINGS DO NOT MATTER A LITTLE ALSO IN THE PROFESSIONAL LIFE. ANYTHING IS TO BE PUT ON PAPER OR IN A DOCUMENTED FORM.VERBAL SAYING CAN ONLY GIVE SATISFACTION TO YOUR HEART BUT DOES NOT GIVE THE SCALE OF MEASURING YOUR CAPABILITIES.
SO I BELIEVE ALWAYS A SOLID DOCUMENT OR FILE IS TO BE SUPPORTED FOR ANY VERBAL SAYING TO BE PROVED.
AS SWASTIK SAID WHO KNOWS KAL HO NA HO.
REGARDS
KIRAN.N
From India, Gurgaon
I DO STRONGLY AGREE WITH MR.SWASTIK REGARDING YOUR CASE IS CONCERNED. BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IN HR FIELD EVERYTHING IS TO KEPT OR SHOWN IN WRITTEN OR IN A DOCUMENT,THEN ONLY IT DO HAVE A VALUE.VERBAL SAYINGS DO NOT MATTER A LITTLE ALSO IN THE PROFESSIONAL LIFE. ANYTHING IS TO BE PUT ON PAPER OR IN A DOCUMENTED FORM.VERBAL SAYING CAN ONLY GIVE SATISFACTION TO YOUR HEART BUT DOES NOT GIVE THE SCALE OF MEASURING YOUR CAPABILITIES.
SO I BELIEVE ALWAYS A SOLID DOCUMENT OR FILE IS TO BE SUPPORTED FOR ANY VERBAL SAYING TO BE PROVED.
AS SWASTIK SAID WHO KNOWS KAL HO NA HO.
REGARDS
KIRAN.N
From India, Gurgaon
Hi!
:)
On the face of it, it does seem to me that your Boss is taking you for a ride. Acknowledging something verbally and not keeping up to it in writing is just a show of words.
In case your Boss has taken this to be a way of hinting/informing you about your weaknesses. Try to perform Your SWOT keeping in mind your role and Your Boss's expectations with regards to your work. Be proactive and identify and develop those skills/knowledge and abilities that you lack in.
Surely, if the Health of the Organization is fine and you do perform as per expectations you will be rewarded.( But do ensure that your role/goal expectations are made clear to you in the beginning of the year).
Another thing to do would be to would be to keep your Top Boss( your Boss's BOSS) informed about it and/or to receive letters of appreciation for your commendable work. Later, even if your Boss does change it will act as a safeguard for better appraisals.(irrespective of who your new boss is)
Lastly, never forget to trust your instincts. (If you think you are going to get the sack be prepared)
All the Besst!
Regards,
Shyamali
From India, Nasik
:)
On the face of it, it does seem to me that your Boss is taking you for a ride. Acknowledging something verbally and not keeping up to it in writing is just a show of words.
In case your Boss has taken this to be a way of hinting/informing you about your weaknesses. Try to perform Your SWOT keeping in mind your role and Your Boss's expectations with regards to your work. Be proactive and identify and develop those skills/knowledge and abilities that you lack in.
Surely, if the Health of the Organization is fine and you do perform as per expectations you will be rewarded.( But do ensure that your role/goal expectations are made clear to you in the beginning of the year).
Another thing to do would be to would be to keep your Top Boss( your Boss's BOSS) informed about it and/or to receive letters of appreciation for your commendable work. Later, even if your Boss does change it will act as a safeguard for better appraisals.(irrespective of who your new boss is)
Lastly, never forget to trust your instincts. (If you think you are going to get the sack be prepared)
All the Besst!
Regards,
Shyamali
From India, Nasik
Though he has assigned low ratings to you in your PA, your boss could have written a qualitative statement such as - "This new employee has shown exceptinally good performance in a short span of time. Given that he is new to our organization, his performance that is exceptionally good needs due appreciation and he holds the potential for shouldering more responsibility in future and therfore would deserve better emoluments accordingly. We will evaluate his performance for consistency and make appropriate decisions regarding his future career assignments and suitable compensation."
I cannot see a reason as to why he could not have given such comment though he gave a lower rating.
But, since you have mentioned that your boss is a quite senior guy, he may like to hold his views confidential for avoiding you from the jealousy of your co-workers, which may work against you since you are at the budding stage of the career in the company. God knows how confidential are the PA ratings in your company. And, who knows if you would not share the information with your colleagues out of sheer happiness.
Or, probably he did not want to show himself to be a person positively biased towards you even before you have demonstrated consistency in your performance to everyone in the company.
Give the benefit of doubt and proceed with consistently good performance.
Nothing can stop you from getting what you really deserve. It is not just one single rating today that will decide the rest of your career.
Cheers.
From India, Madras
I cannot see a reason as to why he could not have given such comment though he gave a lower rating.
But, since you have mentioned that your boss is a quite senior guy, he may like to hold his views confidential for avoiding you from the jealousy of your co-workers, which may work against you since you are at the budding stage of the career in the company. God knows how confidential are the PA ratings in your company. And, who knows if you would not share the information with your colleagues out of sheer happiness.
Or, probably he did not want to show himself to be a person positively biased towards you even before you have demonstrated consistency in your performance to everyone in the company.
Give the benefit of doubt and proceed with consistently good performance.
Nothing can stop you from getting what you really deserve. It is not just one single rating today that will decide the rest of your career.
Cheers.
From India, Madras
Hi Prabs,
I strongly go in with Swastik and Kiran, because in this world of change everything needs to be documented and nothing is on verbal / oral commitments. So it is better if you can get something in written form for all your achivements and outstanding works.
Regards
Julie
From India, Hyderabad
I strongly go in with Swastik and Kiran, because in this world of change everything needs to be documented and nothing is on verbal / oral commitments. So it is better if you can get something in written form for all your achivements and outstanding works.
Regards
Julie
From India, Hyderabad
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