CAN A PERSON CAN BE POSTED UNDER THE PERSON WHO IS JUNIOR TO HIM. I HAVE TRIED TO FIND IT IN EXISTING RULES BUT COULD NOT FIND ANY GUIDELINES BUT IN PRACTICE WHEN WE FIND A INCAPABLE/NON PERFORMER EMPLOYEE AND WHEN WE POST HIM UNDER A EMPLOYEE,WHO IS JUNIOR TO HIM,THE SENIOR MAKE HUE AND CRY FOR IGNORING HIS SENIORITY .PLZ GUIDE WHAT ARE THE GUIDELINES IN THIS REGARD.
From India, Chennai
From India, Chennai
Dear Pwnkala,
This is in addition to what Bhaskar has said. You need to give little more information. My questions are as below:
Are you from Government Service, PSU or Private Sector? Since when the employee has "poor" performance? What efforts did you take to improve his performance? How the performance appraisal is conducted? Do you have formal PMS well in place? What kind of training did you provide to improve his performance? If the performance was poor then why is he continuing in current position? Why was he not sacked? At least why was he not demoted? For how many years is he slogging in the current designation? Did you try placing him in some another department?
Does this person has got some connection with labour union? Does management want to keep this person in good humour because he is close to some very senior person from management?
Though information is not complete I have a feeling that the person has got into the groove. Now when you brought sudden change he is resisting it to the hilt. Hitherto he enjoyed his stasis and now this displacement has irritated him.
Stickiness to the position is human nature. Notwithstanding poor performance, if our ministers stick to their chairs then why not this ordinary mortal? Certain ministries are identified with certain persons. Persons are rewarded with ministries due to political considerations. Now in your case first confirm what were the considerations that led to this situation then we will discuss further.
Last Comments: - By the way, before uploading some post, you could have checked how other members have written their post. If you had done that you would have observed basic anomaly of writing the entire post in block capital letters. Hope you are aware that writing SMS, E-mail or post in social media in block capital letters is against business etiquettes. If not, then please take this opportunity to educate yourself.
Thanks,
Dinesh V Divekar
From India, Bangalore
7884This is in addition to what Bhaskar has said. You need to give little more information. My questions are as below:
Are you from Government Service, PSU or Private Sector? Since when the employee has "poor" performance? What efforts did you take to improve his performance? How the performance appraisal is conducted? Do you have formal PMS well in place? What kind of training did you provide to improve his performance? If the performance was poor then why is he continuing in current position? Why was he not sacked? At least why was he not demoted? For how many years is he slogging in the current designation? Did you try placing him in some another department?
Does this person has got some connection with labour union? Does management want to keep this person in good humour because he is close to some very senior person from management?
Though information is not complete I have a feeling that the person has got into the groove. Now when you brought sudden change he is resisting it to the hilt. Hitherto he enjoyed his stasis and now this displacement has irritated him.
Stickiness to the position is human nature. Notwithstanding poor performance, if our ministers stick to their chairs then why not this ordinary mortal? Certain ministries are identified with certain persons. Persons are rewarded with ministries due to political considerations. Now in your case first confirm what were the considerations that led to this situation then we will discuss further.
Last Comments: - By the way, before uploading some post, you could have checked how other members have written their post. If you had done that you would have observed basic anomaly of writing the entire post in block capital letters. Hope you are aware that writing SMS, E-mail or post in social media in block capital letters is against business etiquettes. If not, then please take this opportunity to educate yourself.
Thanks,
Dinesh V Divekar
From India, Bangalore
Dear PWNKALA,
Bhaskar and Dinesh V Divekar have given you some sound response based on the limited information and raised valid questions. I will add another question. Please let us know whether the senior person working under a junior ranked individual is a temporary one, like working on a project. If it is not, then why are you not promoting the junior to a higher rank than that of the senior?
Could you put yourself in the shoes of the senior and kindly tell us what would be your reaction if your were in that position of working under a person junior to you?
From United Kingdom
Bhaskar and Dinesh V Divekar have given you some sound response based on the limited information and raised valid questions. I will add another question. Please let us know whether the senior person working under a junior ranked individual is a temporary one, like working on a project. If it is not, then why are you not promoting the junior to a higher rank than that of the senior?
Could you put yourself in the shoes of the senior and kindly tell us what would be your reaction if your were in that position of working under a person junior to you?
From United Kingdom
Dear PWNKALA,
I am not sure whether yours is just a hypothetical question or a genuine one arising from a real life situation.Whatever it be, the answer is very simple if you are not biased.Irrespective of the type of the organization, the ultimate goal is attainment of the desired end.Only for this purpose people are hired based upon their efficiency and allotted different roles to be played.Of course efficiency is a relative attribute that differs from person to person or at times from situation to situation in respect of the same person.So, what is important is one's effectiveness in the assigned role-play.Though seniority is generally determined by the age or length of service or experience, the ultimate determinent would be one's effectiveness to perform in a given position. Here effectiveness refers to competence.That's why certain jobs are called as senior positions. Non-performers cannot occupy senior positions howsoever seniors they are in other respects.However, the other points raised by M/S Dinesh and Simhan can not be brushed aside in real life situations.
From India, Salem
I am not sure whether yours is just a hypothetical question or a genuine one arising from a real life situation.Whatever it be, the answer is very simple if you are not biased.Irrespective of the type of the organization, the ultimate goal is attainment of the desired end.Only for this purpose people are hired based upon their efficiency and allotted different roles to be played.Of course efficiency is a relative attribute that differs from person to person or at times from situation to situation in respect of the same person.So, what is important is one's effectiveness in the assigned role-play.Though seniority is generally determined by the age or length of service or experience, the ultimate determinent would be one's effectiveness to perform in a given position. Here effectiveness refers to competence.That's why certain jobs are called as senior positions. Non-performers cannot occupy senior positions howsoever seniors they are in other respects.However, the other points raised by M/S Dinesh and Simhan can not be brushed aside in real life situations.
From India, Salem
Hello PWNKALA,
There are plenty of instances in Private sector when a junior becomes the boss and the senior reports to him.
Atleast I know of one instance in a Public Sector also.
In some instances it may be the very same junior who once reported to his senior ( at the time of joining).
With passage of time and based on performance the roles can get reversed.
So what matters is Performance and Contribution rather than Chronological seniority.
V.Raghunathan
From India
There are plenty of instances in Private sector when a junior becomes the boss and the senior reports to him.
Atleast I know of one instance in a Public Sector also.
In some instances it may be the very same junior who once reported to his senior ( at the time of joining).
With passage of time and based on performance the roles can get reversed.
So what matters is Performance and Contribution rather than Chronological seniority.
V.Raghunathan
From India
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