Can HR override HOD in probation confirmation appraisal? During the 3 mths probation, this staff has taken numerous medical leave plus he is not a team player and bad attitude, however, the HOD has written "to be confirmed" in his appraisal. Can HR override it be extending his probation?
From United States, San Diego
From United States, San Diego
Hi,
First we have to understand that on what basis your HOD had confirmed the employee, secondly you need to take other employees (like co-worker etc) views and then you can put it to the very senior person.
Tks
Pallavi.
From India, Mumbai
3First we have to understand that on what basis your HOD had confirmed the employee, secondly you need to take other employees (like co-worker etc) views and then you can put it to the very senior person.
Tks
Pallavi.
From India, Mumbai
HOD confirmed him based on his work satisfactory, however, all other staff found his work unsatisfactory, attitude bad and a complainer. The problem is that HOD does not deal directly with him. Based on other staff feedback, he is not a good worker. Through my observation, he is not a team player too.
From United States, San Diego
From United States, San Diego
Hi Dell,
The question whether the HR can override the decision of the HOD all depends on the fact that who is the final approving authority and also who is more influential HR Head or HOD. There is no such universally accepted rule as to whether an HR can override the HOD' decision. So it all depends on the Management philosophy of the company management. If the HR has been given powers to override the decision of HOD, sure HR can.
Amit Goyal
From India, Delhi
The question whether the HR can override the decision of the HOD all depends on the fact that who is the final approving authority and also who is more influential HR Head or HOD. There is no such universally accepted rule as to whether an HR can override the HOD' decision. So it all depends on the Management philosophy of the company management. If the HR has been given powers to override the decision of HOD, sure HR can.
Amit Goyal
From India, Delhi
This is a real incidence which happened in my company,,,
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Manufacturing multinational company...
there were 2 apprentices working, for ur information apprentices are taken only for 1 yr and
after 1 yr they have to leave, expect if some exceptional talent is found, they are retained and
made permanent, so while these two apprentices were working in Product Dev PD and Process
Planning PP,, there arose 2 positions in PD and PP for which the apprentices both some 4-5 months
old were found suitable and were told to give a written test in which the PD apprentice failed
and PP apprentice passed.. PP apprentice was told that interview will be conducted very soon,,
but he waited he waited no interview was conducted,, then after some 10-15 days he got a good job
in another comp, and left,, while leaving then suddenly his BOss and HR gave him offer which
obviously he refused,, bcoz when he waited there was no response and when he told them he is
leaving then they gave offer obviously this meant HR and BOSS were trying to make him work for
5000 rs instead of his ctc monthly rs.20000 till he completes his app period ,, then to involve
him in rolls of comp,. well thats just a short incident.. a not related to the subject which we
are currently discussing.
As these both app were my frnds and i was working as HR trainee there, the PP was happy that he passed and was waiting for interview, but the PD app was sad and told that he did not expect the test to be AN APTITUTDE < ENGLISH < RESONING NUMERICAL TEST like one we have for mba entrance ,,, he thought the test would be a technical one related to his work as he was very excellent in his work and had impressed the PD manager with his work,,, So as per HR policy as he has failed the aptitude test his application could not be processed further,,,,,..
Now the time was approching for the PD candidate to leave the company as his app period was about to end,, the PD manager was not happy and told the employee that u did not pass the test, so i cant do anything, the PD app told that he did not expect the test to be a APTITUTDE < ENGLISH < RESONING TEST but a technical one , now the PD app was really good in his work he also did not try anywhere,, and had faith that he would get the job,, Then the PD manager had a meeting with my boss the HR manager that he wants the PD app to be made permanent, but the HR manager told that as he did not clear the APTITUTDE < ENGLISH < RESONING TEST his application cld not be further processed, both the managers had a heated argument, the PD manager told that the app has performed excellent in his work and just bcoz he did not clear the APTITUTDE < ENGLISH < RESONING TEST which has no relation to his work ,, he shld not be rejected,, then ultimately the HR manager had no option but to recruit the employee into rolls of the company,, with a special note put up by the PD manager,,,
SO in our company the HR manager did not have any much to say,, as the PD manager a manager of one of most important aspect of manufacturing industry has more powers or say than the HR manager who was just providing service.. So the answer to ur questions depends on the industry, the powers of individual managers ./ authorities,, and what one individually wishes,,
during the argument there were some questions asked to HR manager which he cld not answer:;
this app is good and excellent in his work,, already we are in short of manpower, if he leaves then who will handle the work,,??
The HR manager cld not reply as :: I will recruit one person ,,, as getting manpower to work in our comp, is not tht much easy...
From India, Pune
....
........
Manufacturing multinational company...
there were 2 apprentices working, for ur information apprentices are taken only for 1 yr and
after 1 yr they have to leave, expect if some exceptional talent is found, they are retained and
made permanent, so while these two apprentices were working in Product Dev PD and Process
Planning PP,, there arose 2 positions in PD and PP for which the apprentices both some 4-5 months
old were found suitable and were told to give a written test in which the PD apprentice failed
and PP apprentice passed.. PP apprentice was told that interview will be conducted very soon,,
but he waited he waited no interview was conducted,, then after some 10-15 days he got a good job
in another comp, and left,, while leaving then suddenly his BOss and HR gave him offer which
obviously he refused,, bcoz when he waited there was no response and when he told them he is
leaving then they gave offer obviously this meant HR and BOSS were trying to make him work for
5000 rs instead of his ctc monthly rs.20000 till he completes his app period ,, then to involve
him in rolls of comp,. well thats just a short incident.. a not related to the subject which we
are currently discussing.
As these both app were my frnds and i was working as HR trainee there, the PP was happy that he passed and was waiting for interview, but the PD app was sad and told that he did not expect the test to be AN APTITUTDE < ENGLISH < RESONING NUMERICAL TEST like one we have for mba entrance ,,, he thought the test would be a technical one related to his work as he was very excellent in his work and had impressed the PD manager with his work,,, So as per HR policy as he has failed the aptitude test his application could not be processed further,,,,,..
Now the time was approching for the PD candidate to leave the company as his app period was about to end,, the PD manager was not happy and told the employee that u did not pass the test, so i cant do anything, the PD app told that he did not expect the test to be a APTITUTDE < ENGLISH < RESONING TEST but a technical one , now the PD app was really good in his work he also did not try anywhere,, and had faith that he would get the job,, Then the PD manager had a meeting with my boss the HR manager that he wants the PD app to be made permanent, but the HR manager told that as he did not clear the APTITUTDE < ENGLISH < RESONING TEST his application cld not be further processed, both the managers had a heated argument, the PD manager told that the app has performed excellent in his work and just bcoz he did not clear the APTITUTDE < ENGLISH < RESONING TEST which has no relation to his work ,, he shld not be rejected,, then ultimately the HR manager had no option but to recruit the employee into rolls of the company,, with a special note put up by the PD manager,,,
SO in our company the HR manager did not have any much to say,, as the PD manager a manager of one of most important aspect of manufacturing industry has more powers or say than the HR manager who was just providing service.. So the answer to ur questions depends on the industry, the powers of individual managers ./ authorities,, and what one individually wishes,,
during the argument there were some questions asked to HR manager which he cld not answer:;
this app is good and excellent in his work,, already we are in short of manpower, if he leaves then who will handle the work,,??
The HR manager cld not reply as :: I will recruit one person ,,, as getting manpower to work in our comp, is not tht much easy...
From India, Pune
So IN SHORT in my incidence :;
INDUSTRY: MANUFACTURING
HOD : More powerful and influential than HR manager from functional importance in mfg industry
HR : Viewed nothing more than providing service.
APP: Excellent in his technical work, but not good in aptitute, numerical ,english which has in practical no relevance to his job profile and he was THE ONLY ONE APP , in the COMPANY in PD DEPT...
If u give above details abt ur case, may be someone would be able to help u out of this :idea:
THANKS THANKS
From India, Pune
INDUSTRY: MANUFACTURING
HOD : More powerful and influential than HR manager from functional importance in mfg industry
HR : Viewed nothing more than providing service.
APP: Excellent in his technical work, but not good in aptitute, numerical ,english which has in practical no relevance to his job profile and he was THE ONLY ONE APP , in the COMPANY in PD DEPT...
If u give above details abt ur case, may be someone would be able to help u out of this :idea:
THANKS THANKS
From India, Pune
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