no not at all.
1)hrm are the bridges between management and others.
2)they are the arbitrary to solve all conflicts.
3)they are to find proper,useful,loyal staff members.
4)they are motivators to improve productivity.etc.
off course they are doing thanx less jobs like watch dogs,siting behind the curtains.this may take to opinion,that hrm are waste of money.
From India, Pune
51)hrm are the bridges between management and others.
2)they are the arbitrary to solve all conflicts.
3)they are to find proper,useful,loyal staff members.
4)they are motivators to improve productivity.etc.
off course they are doing thanx less jobs like watch dogs,siting behind the curtains.this may take to opinion,that hrm are waste of money.
From India, Pune
HI,
If U HAVE SUCH KIND OF NOTION THEN I THINK YOU R JUST A FRESHER OR A NEW BORN BABY IN THIS PROFESSIONAL WORLD.HR IS THE BACKBONE OF ANY INDUSTRY & DOMAIN & THEY WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS EMPLOYEES.IF THERE WOULD NOT BE HR IMAGINE ABOUT THE PATHETIC SITUATION OF EMPLOYEES & MANAGEMENT.AS FOR EMPLOYEES THEY LOOK AFTER THEIR WELFARE & AS FOR MANAGEMENT THEY UTILIZES THE MAXIMUM OF THE HUMAN ASSET !!!! SO, MY DEAR FRIEND I REQUEST U NOT TO GIVE SUCH KIND OF STATEMENTS ON PUBLIC PLATFORM !!!!!!!!!!!
Regards,
AMIT SHIVAM
HR MANAGER
From India, Chandigarh
If U HAVE SUCH KIND OF NOTION THEN I THINK YOU R JUST A FRESHER OR A NEW BORN BABY IN THIS PROFESSIONAL WORLD.HR IS THE BACKBONE OF ANY INDUSTRY & DOMAIN & THEY WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS EMPLOYEES.IF THERE WOULD NOT BE HR IMAGINE ABOUT THE PATHETIC SITUATION OF EMPLOYEES & MANAGEMENT.AS FOR EMPLOYEES THEY LOOK AFTER THEIR WELFARE & AS FOR MANAGEMENT THEY UTILIZES THE MAXIMUM OF THE HUMAN ASSET !!!! SO, MY DEAR FRIEND I REQUEST U NOT TO GIVE SUCH KIND OF STATEMENTS ON PUBLIC PLATFORM !!!!!!!!!!!
Regards,
AMIT SHIVAM
HR MANAGER
From India, Chandigarh
Hi Octavious,
Firstly let me apologise if I riled you any further than you already were.
I did see a clear streak of sarcasm in your post but decided against seeing it as such for the following reasons:-
1. Sarcasm, by implication is forbidden on this forum!
2. Sarcasm achieves NOTHING!! It is the Achillies Heel of communication!!
You are training to be an HR professional and might well take note that you may say much but convey nothing. Ours was meant to be a positive discussion. Firing it up with sarcasm has set fire to it at both ends. Actually 90% people will miss points made in sarcasm. Not everyone is that clever you see. And yet you have to deal with such people every day. Hence, if you wish to communicate successfully, it is best avoided.
But I'm glad that you agree that HR Managers are an essential part of an organisation. They really are the backbone.
I also think it is time to correct the direction this discussion has taken. My appeal to all members is that, please don't get emotional about the discussion and various points raised by members. Don't just agree or disagree. Contribute if you can. Else read, imbibe and leave it at that.
And finally Octavious, 'No hard feelings'.
Warm regards,
Colonel Gahlot
From India, Delhi
Firstly let me apologise if I riled you any further than you already were.
I did see a clear streak of sarcasm in your post but decided against seeing it as such for the following reasons:-
1. Sarcasm, by implication is forbidden on this forum!
2. Sarcasm achieves NOTHING!! It is the Achillies Heel of communication!!
You are training to be an HR professional and might well take note that you may say much but convey nothing. Ours was meant to be a positive discussion. Firing it up with sarcasm has set fire to it at both ends. Actually 90% people will miss points made in sarcasm. Not everyone is that clever you see. And yet you have to deal with such people every day. Hence, if you wish to communicate successfully, it is best avoided.
But I'm glad that you agree that HR Managers are an essential part of an organisation. They really are the backbone.
I also think it is time to correct the direction this discussion has taken. My appeal to all members is that, please don't get emotional about the discussion and various points raised by members. Don't just agree or disagree. Contribute if you can. Else read, imbibe and leave it at that.
And finally Octavious, 'No hard feelings'.
Warm regards,
Colonel Gahlot
From India, Delhi
no i dont agree with this ..hw do u thing the organisational activity can be executed efficiently without HR managers . Without them it possible but the expected work wont be with diligence and quality ..will u compromise with quality just for plenty other reasons .. of course no one will..
P.S: i would have sounded rude in this mail ..coz wat u said was not an acceptable point ..anyway sry if i was rude ..
- saranya
From India, Pondicherry
P.S: i would have sounded rude in this mail ..coz wat u said was not an acceptable point ..anyway sry if i was rude ..
- saranya
From India, Pondicherry
Mr. Cyril Sunil,
You say HR activity can be outsourced. You mean such HR activities will be carried out by Lawyers or Doctors !!!!! Whether the activity is carried out inhouse or outsourced, that need to be carried out by HR people only, who have specialisation in that segment of business. Then why have so many business schools ..You can recommend to Government to shut off HR line itself...
Please, let people talk sense.. not just for the sake of joining the issue....and to ensure that their name appears in print !
NK Sundaram
From India
You say HR activity can be outsourced. You mean such HR activities will be carried out by Lawyers or Doctors !!!!! Whether the activity is carried out inhouse or outsourced, that need to be carried out by HR people only, who have specialisation in that segment of business. Then why have so many business schools ..You can recommend to Government to shut off HR line itself...
Please, let people talk sense.. not just for the sake of joining the issue....and to ensure that their name appears in print !
NK Sundaram
From India
Dear Colonel Gahlot
I have learned one lesson in life that is, give what a person or thing deserves to be given.
For Ex:- I will pay only Rs.100 for stuff of one hundred and not Rs.150/-. Same way the question posted deserved the answer like the one I posted. Sometimes sarcasm works the best, I believe that sarcasm in it self is a very useful tool and can be used in our favor and to avoid situations where is any other essence of communication is used would not give effective and set desired results.
There is no clause in citehr rules, where in the sarcasm is labelled as a injurious mode of conveying ideas or thoughts.
Neurophysiologist Katherine Rankin at the University of California, San Francisco, has also recently discovered that sarcasm, which is both positively funny and negatively nasty, plays an important part in human social interaction.Understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's intentions. This sophisticated understanding can be lacking in some people with certain forms of brain damage, dementia and autism,and this perception has been located by MRI in the right parahippocampal gyrus.
Either way, sarcasm plays a role in making and breaking alliances and friendship, so it is wrong to say that sarcasm is a negative essence in communication.
Sarcasm is used for many different reasons, mostimes to simply subvert the original meaning of what is being said as a satire or sending up of the subject.Sarcasm is ever present in literature, particularly in English literature.
Achievements of Sarcasm
When David Beckham got himself sent off for clapping the referee who had booked him, that so boosted his standing in the nation, didn't it? (Incidentally, the England captain had the last laugh, when it was later judged he hadn't meant to insult the ref.)
Some of the great figures of comedy, from Beatrice and Benedick to Chandler Bing, have endeared themselves to discerning audiences with sarcasm.
I am sorry, it took some time for me to reply, because all this information had to be collected from various online source.
And all the above information can be cross checked by any person, who wants to know more about sarcasm.
One more thing Colonel Gahlot, shouldnt people be asked to raise their standards of understanding and perception instead of me trying to lower my standards of communication.
I cant be blamed if people aint clever and intelligent.
I am not at all angry at what comments,that are been send across, because I cant help it, if people arent ready to learn and evolve even after giving explanations and intention between the post authored by me.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
I have learned one lesson in life that is, give what a person or thing deserves to be given.
For Ex:- I will pay only Rs.100 for stuff of one hundred and not Rs.150/-. Same way the question posted deserved the answer like the one I posted. Sometimes sarcasm works the best, I believe that sarcasm in it self is a very useful tool and can be used in our favor and to avoid situations where is any other essence of communication is used would not give effective and set desired results.
There is no clause in citehr rules, where in the sarcasm is labelled as a injurious mode of conveying ideas or thoughts.
Neurophysiologist Katherine Rankin at the University of California, San Francisco, has also recently discovered that sarcasm, which is both positively funny and negatively nasty, plays an important part in human social interaction.Understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's intentions. This sophisticated understanding can be lacking in some people with certain forms of brain damage, dementia and autism,and this perception has been located by MRI in the right parahippocampal gyrus.
Either way, sarcasm plays a role in making and breaking alliances and friendship, so it is wrong to say that sarcasm is a negative essence in communication.
Sarcasm is used for many different reasons, mostimes to simply subvert the original meaning of what is being said as a satire or sending up of the subject.Sarcasm is ever present in literature, particularly in English literature.
Achievements of Sarcasm
When David Beckham got himself sent off for clapping the referee who had booked him, that so boosted his standing in the nation, didn't it? (Incidentally, the England captain had the last laugh, when it was later judged he hadn't meant to insult the ref.)
Some of the great figures of comedy, from Beatrice and Benedick to Chandler Bing, have endeared themselves to discerning audiences with sarcasm.
I am sorry, it took some time for me to reply, because all this information had to be collected from various online source.
And all the above information can be cross checked by any person, who wants to know more about sarcasm.
One more thing Colonel Gahlot, shouldnt people be asked to raise their standards of understanding and perception instead of me trying to lower my standards of communication.
I cant be blamed if people aint clever and intelligent.
I am not at all angry at what comments,that are been send across, because I cant help it, if people arent ready to learn and evolve even after giving explanations and intention between the post authored by me.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
Please stop discussing whether sarcasm is appropriate and concentrate on the topic. We can argue all day and get nowhere regarding if "sarcasm" can be understood by everyone and if it's appropriate to use it. Ultimately it's up to the person to decide whether to use it or not. Judging by what I read of Octavious's first post - I don't think he meant any harm and was definitely pointing out that HR should be considered an asset to the company.
Regards,
CHR
From India, Gurgaon
Regards,
CHR
From India, Gurgaon
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