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Dear Ms Kavitha,
Better will be that go in each department and shop floor level time to time. You will automatically get the problems in department and staff. The information you should need you will get through this activity and you will feel confident.
Best Regards,
Pardeep
From India, New Delhi
Better will be that go in each department and shop floor level time to time. You will automatically get the problems in department and staff. The information you should need you will get through this activity and you will feel confident.
Best Regards,
Pardeep
From India, New Delhi
There is no doubt that Spying in Corporate is bad but there also are ample instances of companies having such a network running subtly (through peons, as rightly pointed by Octavious). The INPUTS once again shows that one and all from ‘CiteMan’ are like-minded professional people believing in ethics.
The end result of ‘Spying’ is almost always bad because the 'Spies' run their own agenda and run vilification campaigns. Thus those good personnel who do not join groups only get targeted or harassed. Further, the Boss’s people called as ‘Chamchas’ are detected very easily. Once ‘Open’ it is no more a ‘Strategy’
However, Mr. Divekar is right in saying that one needs to do such a thing occasionally only for the organizational benefit. This, as he says, needs to be done subtly. Yet the senior management has to be careful as not to believe it in totality but use their judgment to filter out mala fide inputs.
In one of our assignments as Marketing Consultants, to begin with we conducted meetings of different groups, over a cup of tea: e.g. entire Product Management Team together, Marketing Coordinators together, and from field ‘Are Sales Managers’ (of one division at a time, in absence of their bosses). We also invited Typists & in house Graphic Designers as a group. They were elated, as they were never a part of the conference room before. It was a forum with one agenda: How can we improve their working environment.
In all the meetings, HR was always present.
All the PERSONNEL came out with openness, identified us as their supporters, Trusted Us, and continued to give inputs till we were associated. Without Spying Agenda we came to know so many things that really mattered, which were used for improving working conditions. Result: Staff Morale became high, improving performance of each individual, and the Organization.
Dr Ulhas Ganu
From India, Mumbai
The end result of ‘Spying’ is almost always bad because the 'Spies' run their own agenda and run vilification campaigns. Thus those good personnel who do not join groups only get targeted or harassed. Further, the Boss’s people called as ‘Chamchas’ are detected very easily. Once ‘Open’ it is no more a ‘Strategy’
However, Mr. Divekar is right in saying that one needs to do such a thing occasionally only for the organizational benefit. This, as he says, needs to be done subtly. Yet the senior management has to be careful as not to believe it in totality but use their judgment to filter out mala fide inputs.
In one of our assignments as Marketing Consultants, to begin with we conducted meetings of different groups, over a cup of tea: e.g. entire Product Management Team together, Marketing Coordinators together, and from field ‘Are Sales Managers’ (of one division at a time, in absence of their bosses). We also invited Typists & in house Graphic Designers as a group. They were elated, as they were never a part of the conference room before. It was a forum with one agenda: How can we improve their working environment.
In all the meetings, HR was always present.
All the PERSONNEL came out with openness, identified us as their supporters, Trusted Us, and continued to give inputs till we were associated. Without Spying Agenda we came to know so many things that really mattered, which were used for improving working conditions. Result: Staff Morale became high, improving performance of each individual, and the Organization.
Dr Ulhas Ganu
From India, Mumbai
Dear Kavitha....
Believe me its the worst practice to do. My management does the same thing and now my company's attrition ration is very high. Well Tell your BOSS that these all are BULLSHIT and rather than spying on the employees he should have some open forum where the people of your company can discuss about the issues or give some suggestions.
Its really SICK.....Your boss needs a psychiatrist.
thanks,
Khyati Pandya
From India, Ahmadabad
Believe me its the worst practice to do. My management does the same thing and now my company's attrition ration is very high. Well Tell your BOSS that these all are BULLSHIT and rather than spying on the employees he should have some open forum where the people of your company can discuss about the issues or give some suggestions.
Its really SICK.....Your boss needs a psychiatrist.
thanks,
Khyati Pandya
From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Kavitha,
The use of word 'Spying' has only created bit ugly picture. I don't agree with all other than Dinesh Divekar. Truely speaking all business organisation must have intelligence / vigillance network. This is in many way helps organisation to cater for preventive measures.
Lalit
From India, Ahmadabad
The use of word 'Spying' has only created bit ugly picture. I don't agree with all other than Dinesh Divekar. Truely speaking all business organisation must have intelligence / vigillance network. This is in many way helps organisation to cater for preventive measures.
Lalit
From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Octavio,
I have not used any slang or inappropriate language. then also if u feel so I m sorry but I will stick to my words because my organization is suffering from the " Spy Syndrome" and my employees suffer a lot. My management doesn't have basic humanity to understand the MOTIVES of spies.
My management has passed from India's best engineering schools, but when I see them behaving in a sick manner I feel that they do need to do self evaluation regarding their condition!
And if I see that any fellow member is trying to carve that path then its my moral duty to stop them and in case to help them as well. I hope you can understand this and by the way I will still stick to my words because not the SPIES but the PROCESSES should be the priority. Organizations need to be strong PROCESS-WISE and not SPY-WISE.
I will give you the example of Infosys that why employees are satisfied with the company because for any query they have call centers. You are just a call away from finding the solution. They have very transparent policies as well.
My motive of telling you is that try to understand someone's point rather than criticizing it. Kindly be my guest someday and I will show you the statistics of my company.
thanks.....
From India, Ahmadabad
I have not used any slang or inappropriate language. then also if u feel so I m sorry but I will stick to my words because my organization is suffering from the " Spy Syndrome" and my employees suffer a lot. My management doesn't have basic humanity to understand the MOTIVES of spies.
My management has passed from India's best engineering schools, but when I see them behaving in a sick manner I feel that they do need to do self evaluation regarding their condition!
And if I see that any fellow member is trying to carve that path then its my moral duty to stop them and in case to help them as well. I hope you can understand this and by the way I will still stick to my words because not the SPIES but the PROCESSES should be the priority. Organizations need to be strong PROCESS-WISE and not SPY-WISE.
I will give you the example of Infosys that why employees are satisfied with the company because for any query they have call centers. You are just a call away from finding the solution. They have very transparent policies as well.
My motive of telling you is that try to understand someone's point rather than criticizing it. Kindly be my guest someday and I will show you the statistics of my company.
thanks.....
From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Kavitha,
Your boss seems to be unfit to be a boss. Such thoughts creep in the minds of people when their thinking, attitude, mindset are skewed. His inability to handle his own people speaks volumes of his imbalanced mind (we used to call such bosses - basses, ie., B-grade asses). The boss who asked you to do that may be doing the same with you too!
Coming to the core issue, if you or for that matter your boss want to know what exactly is happening on the floor and what the employees are thinking, the best way is to call for a meeting just after lunch or at tea time (offer them tea) and ask for problems. Solve them or convince them depending upon the nature of problem. Everyone of them will be faithful thereafter.
If it is from vigilance point of view, a correct boss will install a vigilance department in the company and scrutinizes everything through them and get a report. Kachhe kaan system is the worst form of vigilance and smacks of uselessness or stymied mental development.
Let him know that a friendly chat with everyone will make them friends forever but a single look of suspicion will take away 'respect' once for all which can never be brought back in his life time.
My suggestion is, you dont indulge in kachhe kaan type of activity but be friendly with all and clearly inform them that you would discuss any issue with bosses for possibloe rectification/mitigation or otherwise. This is the only prudent way of tackling the matter.
Best of all, seek a job where you will find a human being as boss, even if it is going to be a smaller organization. You will have peace of mind and true job satisfaction too.
Ramana PV
From India
Your boss seems to be unfit to be a boss. Such thoughts creep in the minds of people when their thinking, attitude, mindset are skewed. His inability to handle his own people speaks volumes of his imbalanced mind (we used to call such bosses - basses, ie., B-grade asses). The boss who asked you to do that may be doing the same with you too!
Coming to the core issue, if you or for that matter your boss want to know what exactly is happening on the floor and what the employees are thinking, the best way is to call for a meeting just after lunch or at tea time (offer them tea) and ask for problems. Solve them or convince them depending upon the nature of problem. Everyone of them will be faithful thereafter.
If it is from vigilance point of view, a correct boss will install a vigilance department in the company and scrutinizes everything through them and get a report. Kachhe kaan system is the worst form of vigilance and smacks of uselessness or stymied mental development.
Let him know that a friendly chat with everyone will make them friends forever but a single look of suspicion will take away 'respect' once for all which can never be brought back in his life time.
My suggestion is, you dont indulge in kachhe kaan type of activity but be friendly with all and clearly inform them that you would discuss any issue with bosses for possibloe rectification/mitigation or otherwise. This is the only prudent way of tackling the matter.
Best of all, seek a job where you will find a human being as boss, even if it is going to be a smaller organization. You will have peace of mind and true job satisfaction too.
Ramana PV
From India
Hello samyak1,
What you have mentioned/said does makes a lot of sense--especially since you are saying it from your own experience.
However, what Octavious was referring to WASN'T THE CONTENT or even the general line of thought you presented--BUT to the use of some very specific word(s) that you used. That's all.
If you noticed your own second posting in this thread, in response to Octavious's comments, you DIDN'T USE any such word(s), AND YET MADE A LOT MORE positive effect/impact on the general direction of the discussion.
So it indeed is possible to convey our thoughts/opinions much more positively--just as you proved.
I only get a feeling that while you were typing your First posting, you MIGHT have gone back in time recollecting the past--usually that happens with most people when faced with uncomfortable/unpleasant situations repeatedly--and posted your response, which explains the wordings you used....basic human psychology & all of us get carried away sometimes.
In a way, it also conveys how strongly you feel about the topic under discussion--but pl note that AS SENIORS in this Forum, our role is ONLY to suggest/guide/point the RIGHT Direction [whether to accept it or not is upto the individual]. Again, AS SENIORS, our role is also to stand as role-models, at least to the extent we can.
I hope I have conveyed what I wanted to--pl do let me know if I haven't.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
What you have mentioned/said does makes a lot of sense--especially since you are saying it from your own experience.
However, what Octavious was referring to WASN'T THE CONTENT or even the general line of thought you presented--BUT to the use of some very specific word(s) that you used. That's all.
If you noticed your own second posting in this thread, in response to Octavious's comments, you DIDN'T USE any such word(s), AND YET MADE A LOT MORE positive effect/impact on the general direction of the discussion.
So it indeed is possible to convey our thoughts/opinions much more positively--just as you proved.
I only get a feeling that while you were typing your First posting, you MIGHT have gone back in time recollecting the past--usually that happens with most people when faced with uncomfortable/unpleasant situations repeatedly--and posted your response, which explains the wordings you used....basic human psychology & all of us get carried away sometimes.
In a way, it also conveys how strongly you feel about the topic under discussion--but pl note that AS SENIORS in this Forum, our role is ONLY to suggest/guide/point the RIGHT Direction [whether to accept it or not is upto the individual]. Again, AS SENIORS, our role is also to stand as role-models, at least to the extent we can.
I hope I have conveyed what I wanted to--pl do let me know if I haven't.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Sir,
I have understood Mr. Octavio's point and as well as yours. But I was just trying to make my point. May be some word(s) is not liked by Mr. Octavio and he raised his objection which I think anyone in this forum must do if they feel so.
However I strongly oppose these kind of activities and for that if I will have to go bit far for it, I am ready to do that.
As far as you guys being senior in this forum, I request you to take some concrete action or tell the government to have some proper laws for the white colored job people like us. I belong to IT company. And sadly we don't have strong rules like we have for labour laws. Please do something for that so the employee of small size organization can have rights to speak.
Thanks
From India, Ahmadabad
I have understood Mr. Octavio's point and as well as yours. But I was just trying to make my point. May be some word(s) is not liked by Mr. Octavio and he raised his objection which I think anyone in this forum must do if they feel so.
However I strongly oppose these kind of activities and for that if I will have to go bit far for it, I am ready to do that.
As far as you guys being senior in this forum, I request you to take some concrete action or tell the government to have some proper laws for the white colored job people like us. I belong to IT company. And sadly we don't have strong rules like we have for labour laws. Please do something for that so the employee of small size organization can have rights to speak.
Thanks
From India, Ahmadabad
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