@ Dipil,
I hope you know of Domino theory of accident causation.
Scientists have come up with so many different types of models for accident investigation and all interested should know each one and pros and cons of each one of them. Swedish scientists have coined a word "Accidentology" for this purpose and you should get publications of Karolinska Institute,Sweden
From India, Coimbatore
46I hope you know of Domino theory of accident causation.
Scientists have come up with so many different types of models for accident investigation and all interested should know each one and pros and cons of each one of them. Swedish scientists have coined a word "Accidentology" for this purpose and you should get publications of Karolinska Institute,Sweden
From India, Coimbatore
Dear All
When I was reading more about Heinrich's Domino Theory I came across through below sentence:
"To be fair to Heinrich, he does insist that “the responsibility lies first of all with the employer.” (38 ) (italics in original) Heinrich specifies that a truly safety-conscious manager (of 1950) will make sure his “foremen” and “workers” do as their told, and “exercise his prerogative and obtain compliance ... follow through and see the unsafe conditions are eliminated.” Heinrich’s remedy for such non-compliance is strict supervision, remedial training, and discipline."
If Heinrich is pointing out this through his theory, I think he is fully correct... Behind any incident there has to be a System Cause - Lack from the employer part...
Can anyone come with the write up's which is stating clear reasons of why Heinrich's Domino Theory is not right one or acceptable one today... I am very curious to know the reasons...
From India
When I was reading more about Heinrich's Domino Theory I came across through below sentence:
"To be fair to Heinrich, he does insist that “the responsibility lies first of all with the employer.” (38 ) (italics in original) Heinrich specifies that a truly safety-conscious manager (of 1950) will make sure his “foremen” and “workers” do as their told, and “exercise his prerogative and obtain compliance ... follow through and see the unsafe conditions are eliminated.” Heinrich’s remedy for such non-compliance is strict supervision, remedial training, and discipline."
If Heinrich is pointing out this through his theory, I think he is fully correct... Behind any incident there has to be a System Cause - Lack from the employer part...
Can anyone come with the write up's which is stating clear reasons of why Heinrich's Domino Theory is not right one or acceptable one today... I am very curious to know the reasons...
From India
Dear Dipil,
I would not like to enter into the Debate on Henrich Theory.
The ultimate aim of any Safety Professional is to reduce the accidents and achieve Zero Accident Goal. If we start the Debate, one would win an argument but is that going to reduce the accidents?
I could not even go through the links given by Mr. Jagdish Patel because of lack of time. Instead I shall welcome any positive suggestion on reduction of accidents.
In our company I had given instructions to my team to analyse, to find if there are repetitive accidents to any employees. Then the Data since 2000 was analysed, and we found some cases where some workmen have met an accident more than twice.
In counseling one person had some family issues, very sincere, but unknowingly used to meet the accidents. Then we shifted him to the area where hazards were minimum. (Job Rotation).
In the one case the workman used to be so energetic, and always wanted to produce more, in Counseling, we told him to be careful and ensured his normal output, there by reducing the accidents.
Other cases were negligence. We imparted them the trainings, shown the safety motivational films and later we observed very good improvement in them.
I agree that BBS has some controversies, but it should be left to the safety professionals of that company to follow it or not.
However as stated earlier, my experience is it helps. I remember to have read one proverb " If you do not want to solve a problem Confuse the issue (Formula C)". I appeal all professionals to try it yourself and see if you get the results.
However please keep one thing in mind that BBS should not be used to disciplinary actions. The outcome has to be training, Counseling, motivation etc.
Hopefully should get the results like we got.
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Nasik
I would not like to enter into the Debate on Henrich Theory.
The ultimate aim of any Safety Professional is to reduce the accidents and achieve Zero Accident Goal. If we start the Debate, one would win an argument but is that going to reduce the accidents?
I could not even go through the links given by Mr. Jagdish Patel because of lack of time. Instead I shall welcome any positive suggestion on reduction of accidents.
In our company I had given instructions to my team to analyse, to find if there are repetitive accidents to any employees. Then the Data since 2000 was analysed, and we found some cases where some workmen have met an accident more than twice.
In counseling one person had some family issues, very sincere, but unknowingly used to meet the accidents. Then we shifted him to the area where hazards were minimum. (Job Rotation).
In the one case the workman used to be so energetic, and always wanted to produce more, in Counseling, we told him to be careful and ensured his normal output, there by reducing the accidents.
Other cases were negligence. We imparted them the trainings, shown the safety motivational films and later we observed very good improvement in them.
I agree that BBS has some controversies, but it should be left to the safety professionals of that company to follow it or not.
However as stated earlier, my experience is it helps. I remember to have read one proverb " If you do not want to solve a problem Confuse the issue (Formula C)". I appeal all professionals to try it yourself and see if you get the results.
However please keep one thing in mind that BBS should not be used to disciplinary actions. The outcome has to be training, Counseling, motivation etc.
Hopefully should get the results like we got.
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Nasik
@ Dipil
I suppose Heinrich theory is not known as domino theory.
Behavior centric solutions have never worked. Heinrich was the first person to look at accidents the way he did and analyze and come up with principles. scientists of later years improved on his work and came up with better ideas
I so not agree with Sudhir. At intellectual level the discussion must go on for better generating better understanding of the problem and arrive at better solutions.
From India, Coimbatore
I suppose Heinrich theory is not known as domino theory.
Behavior centric solutions have never worked. Heinrich was the first person to look at accidents the way he did and analyze and come up with principles. scientists of later years improved on his work and came up with better ideas
I so not agree with Sudhir. At intellectual level the discussion must go on for better generating better understanding of the problem and arrive at better solutions.
From India, Coimbatore
Dear Sir
When searching net about Heinrich theory what we are getting is in the name of domino theory only... So requesting you to clear what is in actual Heinrich Theory is??? If possible please share any write up or book on the same with me as it is always and everywhere refering as the basic fundamental of safety... So clear understanding on this is very much required...
Hope to hear from you soon...
From India
When searching net about Heinrich theory what we are getting is in the name of domino theory only... So requesting you to clear what is in actual Heinrich Theory is??? If possible please share any write up or book on the same with me as it is always and everywhere refering as the basic fundamental of safety... So clear understanding on this is very much required...
Hope to hear from you soon...
From India
Dear Dipil,
I think i have Heinrich theory book with me (Will search on my collection) and let you know as soon as possible. . .
I have a habit of reading books sometimes (When i was feel alone...) last week only i bought third version of Loss control Leadership/ management Author: Frank E.Bird Jr ,George L. Germain and M.Dougles Clark.
From United States, Fpo
I think i have Heinrich theory book with me (Will search on my collection) and let you know as soon as possible. . .
I have a habit of reading books sometimes (When i was feel alone...) last week only i bought third version of Loss control Leadership/ management Author: Frank E.Bird Jr ,George L. Germain and M.Dougles Clark.
From United States, Fpo
dear friend
if you are interested to enrich further in BBS , firstly understand the whole concept of it. As you need observation sheet please note , observations varies act to act , industry to industry,workmen to manager means has to design as per the need.
I can facilitate you to comprehend the BBS concept to implementation , as I am BBS trainer and have delivered so many training programmes in very prestigious industries.
please send your proposal to -
From India, Kota
if you are interested to enrich further in BBS , firstly understand the whole concept of it. As you need observation sheet please note , observations varies act to act , industry to industry,workmen to manager means has to design as per the need.
I can facilitate you to comprehend the BBS concept to implementation , as I am BBS trainer and have delivered so many training programmes in very prestigious industries.
please send your proposal to -
From India, Kota
Guys,
Thanks for iniating such a nice discussion regarding BBS.
Not being negative,BBS is a great tool if used correctly otherwise this is just a waste of time and money.What large companies does,they will hire a third party company who have specilization in Behavioural Safety and implement the program for the projects.The program usualy comes with fancy training,softwares,figuers ete etc.
Last 12 years i am working as an HSE and have never seen an observer or manager doing a proper BBS observation with the employees on the ground,instead fill the BBS form in their office and the data entered into the system.What is the point in doing this?Some of you may say now this is only happening in your company.But honestly i can say this is the situation in all most all companies.I will stick on my belief unless otherwise some one can prove that a BBS program reduced the number of incidents or injuries.
The presentation attached was very informative.Also one thing to add Incentives/Awards should not be based on number of accidents or lost time injuries.The absence of incidents or injuries does not denote the presence of safety.
Mr.Dipil,if you don't mind can you please send me the BBS form to my e mail for me to have look?
Thanks,
Sam
From Azerbaijan, Baku
Thanks for iniating such a nice discussion regarding BBS.
Not being negative,BBS is a great tool if used correctly otherwise this is just a waste of time and money.What large companies does,they will hire a third party company who have specilization in Behavioural Safety and implement the program for the projects.The program usualy comes with fancy training,softwares,figuers ete etc.
Last 12 years i am working as an HSE and have never seen an observer or manager doing a proper BBS observation with the employees on the ground,instead fill the BBS form in their office and the data entered into the system.What is the point in doing this?Some of you may say now this is only happening in your company.But honestly i can say this is the situation in all most all companies.I will stick on my belief unless otherwise some one can prove that a BBS program reduced the number of incidents or injuries.
The presentation attached was very informative.Also one thing to add Incentives/Awards should not be based on number of accidents or lost time injuries.The absence of incidents or injuries does not denote the presence of safety.
Mr.Dipil,if you don't mind can you please send me the BBS form to my e mail for me to have look?
Thanks,
Sam
From Azerbaijan, Baku
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