Hi All,
I applied through Manpower services consultants and recently got an offer letter with IBM but since they offered me a very bad band and remuneration, I told them that unless they give me the band I requested, I will not join. A HR told me that he has forwarded my query to the business and
that they will get back to me shortly.
Now today I came to know via manpower that the status is showing as
Withdrawing the offer they have made to me"
Now what does this actually mean? No one from IBM communicated to me and now suddenly they withdraw my offer as told by my consultant.
Can IBM withdraw my offer without my consent?
Any light on this is much welcome.
Thank you
Nikhil
From India, Madras
1I applied through Manpower services consultants and recently got an offer letter with IBM but since they offered me a very bad band and remuneration, I told them that unless they give me the band I requested, I will not join. A HR told me that he has forwarded my query to the business and
that they will get back to me shortly.
Now today I came to know via manpower that the status is showing as
Withdrawing the offer they have made to me"
Now what does this actually mean? No one from IBM communicated to me and now suddenly they withdraw my offer as told by my consultant.
Can IBM withdraw my offer without my consent?
Any light on this is much welcome.
Thank you
Nikhil
From India, Madras
Dear Nikhil,
During the hiring process, there are several points for decision making. When an offer is made, yet the candidate negotiates, it goes for another round of processes. Here the existing offer is reviewed vis-a-vis to the offerings made by the candidate and his request. If there is a misfit in any of these, such as , the job offer made by them equates your service offering, yet you have requested for a revision, they would stand to negate the offer.
Unless there is any clarification to be made or they are hiring for a niche role, they don't generally revert to the candidate.
In your case, the offer stands withdrawn. Please look for opportunities with other firms. Request you to understand how your peers are negotiating if at all you wish to repeat the process. Once an offer is made , most of the firms avoid revising it. So please weigh your options and then negotiate.
Wishing you all the best !
From India, Mumbai
During the hiring process, there are several points for decision making. When an offer is made, yet the candidate negotiates, it goes for another round of processes. Here the existing offer is reviewed vis-a-vis to the offerings made by the candidate and his request. If there is a misfit in any of these, such as , the job offer made by them equates your service offering, yet you have requested for a revision, they would stand to negate the offer.
Unless there is any clarification to be made or they are hiring for a niche role, they don't generally revert to the candidate.
In your case, the offer stands withdrawn. Please look for opportunities with other firms. Request you to understand how your peers are negotiating if at all you wish to repeat the process. Once an offer is made , most of the firms avoid revising it. So please weigh your options and then negotiate.
Wishing you all the best !
From India, Mumbai
Hello Nikhil,
You seem to have missed the SECOND point (Cite Contribution) made--".......understand how your peers are negotiating if at all you wish to repeat the process....".
In the long-run, it would do you a lot of good if you analyze 'why' IBM withdrew the Offer. Maybe you were pegging your expectations 'too high'?
Just give such factors a thought before looking for other opportunities.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
You seem to have missed the SECOND point (Cite Contribution) made--".......understand how your peers are negotiating if at all you wish to repeat the process....".
In the long-run, it would do you a lot of good if you analyze 'why' IBM withdrew the Offer. Maybe you were pegging your expectations 'too high'?
Just give such factors a thought before looking for other opportunities.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
TS thank you for your wishes mate..
I didnt miss out the 2nd point.. I was totally frustrated by the way IBM kept me waiting and inspite of a HR speaking with me and addressing my issue and telling me that he will get back, they just cannot withdraw my offer like that.. So I do not want to apply to IBM for a long long time now..
Well I'm a Masters grad (from Aus) plus a cart load of certifications with 6 years of experience and when my current band is of a manager, IBM did not do justice by offering me lesser than that.. namely an Analyst. And they offered me a 30% hike with 10% as variable.. My company offered me a 20% retention hike without variable so why would some sane person take a lesser designation and leave their company for the same remuneration? So I expressed my unhappiness
IBM may be a big company but I wouldnt work in a company where an employee doesnt get respected right from day one.
Lastly I thought and expected a bit of courtesy from the recruiters but alas.. Anyway I will wait and see for a short time if they address this issue with me directly rather than with the consultant.
Thanks for your responses guys appreciate it
From India, Madras
I didnt miss out the 2nd point.. I was totally frustrated by the way IBM kept me waiting and inspite of a HR speaking with me and addressing my issue and telling me that he will get back, they just cannot withdraw my offer like that.. So I do not want to apply to IBM for a long long time now..
Well I'm a Masters grad (from Aus) plus a cart load of certifications with 6 years of experience and when my current band is of a manager, IBM did not do justice by offering me lesser than that.. namely an Analyst. And they offered me a 30% hike with 10% as variable.. My company offered me a 20% retention hike without variable so why would some sane person take a lesser designation and leave their company for the same remuneration? So I expressed my unhappiness
IBM may be a big company but I wouldnt work in a company where an employee doesnt get respected right from day one.
Lastly I thought and expected a bit of courtesy from the recruiters but alas.. Anyway I will wait and see for a short time if they address this issue with me directly rather than with the consultant.
Thanks for your responses guys appreciate it
From India, Madras
Hello Nikhil,
Whether we like it or not--that's life I guess.
And 'courtesy' is something that doesn't depend on whether one is BIG OR SMALL. It's depends on the 'inherent/in-built' culture of the individual, which in-turn, to some extent at least, depends on the environment in which he/she is working.
One of my favorite Quotes vis-a-vis work is this: It depends on YOU if you like to work as a SMALL FISH in a Big Pond or a BIG FISH in a Small Pond. And both situations have their own set of pros & cons.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Whether we like it or not--that's life I guess.
And 'courtesy' is something that doesn't depend on whether one is BIG OR SMALL. It's depends on the 'inherent/in-built' culture of the individual, which in-turn, to some extent at least, depends on the environment in which he/she is working.
One of my favorite Quotes vis-a-vis work is this: It depends on YOU if you like to work as a SMALL FISH in a Big Pond or a BIG FISH in a Small Pond. And both situations have their own set of pros & cons.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
I applaud Nikhil. I think everyone should not settle for less than what they feel they are worth.
If too many people accept lower standards then employers will know that they will eventually find someone who is willing to take the lower offer. This is how salaries get degraded over time. Employers will only pay the lowest that the general population is willing to accept.
This is why many positions in North America especially are not even keeping up with inflation, because employers know that there are plenty of desperate people or new immigrants that are willing to take the lower pay.
But we should all stand firm, but alas this is not possible in real life, as someone will always break the chain by caving in by accepting a lower offer.
Everyone needs to eat and support their families. Some areas in the world have terrible inflation and soaring costs of living.
From Canada, Georgetown
If too many people accept lower standards then employers will know that they will eventually find someone who is willing to take the lower offer. This is how salaries get degraded over time. Employers will only pay the lowest that the general population is willing to accept.
This is why many positions in North America especially are not even keeping up with inflation, because employers know that there are plenty of desperate people or new immigrants that are willing to take the lower pay.
But we should all stand firm, but alas this is not possible in real life, as someone will always break the chain by caving in by accepting a lower offer.
Everyone needs to eat and support their families. Some areas in the world have terrible inflation and soaring costs of living.
From Canada, Georgetown
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