Respected All Sr. / Jr.
I just want your valuable opinion on this particular subject, for this the description for your convenience is as follows:
I joined a pvt. ltd. co.( I feel unethical if mention the name of co.) in the last week of June 2010 as Manager HR. Its a new establishment, structured almost 1 or 2 months ago before my joining. I was recommended by gentlemen whose father and he himself known to me from my last employment.
I have near about 10 yrs experience from Facility Management Industry. After this experience i joined this co. for the simple reason, which is short distance from my home. As per the fact I was working with full flexible mode such as going into field to do the different paper work in respect of PF-ESIC, to fill the recruitment forms at site many a times. Although they have the Area Managers, Operation Mgr and site in charges also. For this they used to tell "ki abhi initial stage hai baad me tumhe nahi janna padega site per". For this I felt justification as co. recently structured.
Apart from this I was doing the billing also over there, asked many a time to hire a junior accountant they said we are planning to hire a CA. I thought they had the perspective with them.
I was doing the entire job with utmost flexibility, which is not the part of my basic nature, I never ever did in the past employments.
I was doing the all with the extra profile of billing. At the time of second billing I was pleading to everyone for all, nobody is bothered about the firm billing and salaries. I asked an operation manager to sit and get prepared the bills with utmost care but he didn't support me.
" Mene kaha Gupta Ji Chair le lo betho, gupta ji pass me aa jao, gupta ji phele bill banwa lo baat baad me kar lena, gupta ji office me doodh nahi me mangwa leta hoon chai ke liye. All of a sudden he spoke to me ki kiya hua ho to raha hai na , ho jayege itni tension kiyon lete ho. Mene kaha ki gupta ji me jo kaam karta hoon chata hoon ki with perfection ho aur phele priority khatam ho with excellence and I am doing the things other than my profile, which you should appreciate.
He said agar aisa hai to phir aap director se baat karo ham se mat bolo. I said i have no problem with this but if i m initiating then you have to understand the thing from your part also and you should take initiative for the same. And all spread into an argument, which was supported by a gentlemen named (A), who already known to me for last 10 years. He is operation manager over there. Director was present and listening the argument there but didn’t interfere at that time .
We both “A” and I started the career at the same time. Initially he was addressed me "bhaiya" now he was calling me by my name. He was the person who had given the input about me to Director that he is not a good guy, always create problem and play a role of “apple of discord” between the employees etc. at the time of his interview. And you will not believe that they refused my employment at the very first day of my joining and said ki abhi ek director se aur baat hogi tab aap ka appointment final hoga, I said ke madam this is not the professionalism I have given the resign to my present job. Again they called me to join and I joined the company after ignoring all unethical treatment of that co. Actually there is a amalgamation of 4-5 persons , those already known to each other. Even Director, Gm – operation, mgr- assitt operation mgr were together working in a reputed co. i don’t want to mention the name of co. I was the single person outside from that bunch although I am also familiar with one or above said person because of my earlier employment.
Here I want to mention here that I helped "A"in many a times whether it is a matter for updating of his CV, telephonic support, other ways and means of different basic labour issues regarding PF-ESIC and leave etc. I thought him how to fill the recruitment forms, how to prepare the attendance registers and all. All was just a gesture towards his growth nothing else. But during my short tenure i never ever told him the same. About his views about me, which he has given to director I want to tell you that he has worked with me in my past company and he was kicked out by the employer because of his unlimited unethical approach and misconducts. Again I don’t feel good to give elaboration on that, I wish him all the good luck for his good deeds. On the other hand I am not sure whether he understand or not the meaning of good deeds.
Come to the conclusion of this Pain:
After that argument with both I had left the office for the day with outgoing entry in the specified register without any further discussion with anyone. At home i realized that perhaps this is not the time to quit as salaries to be prepared and billing also to be done. I wrote a SMS to my director that i cannot work with these circumstance and you are requested to make my F& F by tomorrow as i don’t want to stretch the issue. I was hoping that he will call me and ask me with all “Gussa and Pyaar” but he didn't reply me. Very next day I called the person who recommended me and requested to make the things with all smoothness and specially requested that if co. or director wants then they can cut my august 2-3 days salary, if they want I can still prepare salary and other pending work without any salary and director can ask any rectification from my side and finally convey my apology to the director sir. After 2-3 calls he has also opted the same route and not picking my phone. I called his father to tell his son that there is not any issue of him and if he feels any problem then say sorry to him from my side. He also opted the same route after my 2 calls. After a day Director called me that you F&F will be done of Friday 13 Aug, I said Ok sir no problem and meanwhile i will do some pending and prominent work for your organization as per the moral responsibility as there is no any HR person right now.
On Thursday I called the director and ask for Friday F&F he said my wife is ill bez of Dengu and i m not visiting the office in normal course. I told him no problem sir you can instruct anybody in the office I will collect the requirement from office with my F& F and will do the required things. After all efforts i received a call from office (she is mgr admin over there) asked me r u coming to office on Friday for pending work. I told her yes but you have to make my F& F at the same time she said that will be done on Monday. I requested her to make the part payment, as right now i m jobless and i have to fulfill my family responsibility rest payment you can do as per ur ease. She was very rude and finally she told me to call you back after the consultation with the Director, but she didn't call me again till today. I wrote a SMS to director again to assess the need and again asked for part payment. He also didn't reply till today its 2 PM. I am still waiting for his call or instructions.
Now lots of other thing i wanted to mention here but its already too lengthy. At the end of this u r requested to let me, what is ur opinion about the whole description. You are most welcome if you want to criticize me.
Finally I want to thank you for your goodness to spend your precious time towards my pain. Believe me I feel very calm from my heart after discussing / expressing all with you.
With Huge Regards
Vikas Kumar
Note: I have requested with all my efforts towards the director. I have sent more than 12 SMS to him in the expectation of his kindness.
From India, New Delhi
15I just want your valuable opinion on this particular subject, for this the description for your convenience is as follows:
I joined a pvt. ltd. co.( I feel unethical if mention the name of co.) in the last week of June 2010 as Manager HR. Its a new establishment, structured almost 1 or 2 months ago before my joining. I was recommended by gentlemen whose father and he himself known to me from my last employment.
I have near about 10 yrs experience from Facility Management Industry. After this experience i joined this co. for the simple reason, which is short distance from my home. As per the fact I was working with full flexible mode such as going into field to do the different paper work in respect of PF-ESIC, to fill the recruitment forms at site many a times. Although they have the Area Managers, Operation Mgr and site in charges also. For this they used to tell "ki abhi initial stage hai baad me tumhe nahi janna padega site per". For this I felt justification as co. recently structured.
Apart from this I was doing the billing also over there, asked many a time to hire a junior accountant they said we are planning to hire a CA. I thought they had the perspective with them.
I was doing the entire job with utmost flexibility, which is not the part of my basic nature, I never ever did in the past employments.
I was doing the all with the extra profile of billing. At the time of second billing I was pleading to everyone for all, nobody is bothered about the firm billing and salaries. I asked an operation manager to sit and get prepared the bills with utmost care but he didn't support me.
" Mene kaha Gupta Ji Chair le lo betho, gupta ji pass me aa jao, gupta ji phele bill banwa lo baat baad me kar lena, gupta ji office me doodh nahi me mangwa leta hoon chai ke liye. All of a sudden he spoke to me ki kiya hua ho to raha hai na , ho jayege itni tension kiyon lete ho. Mene kaha ki gupta ji me jo kaam karta hoon chata hoon ki with perfection ho aur phele priority khatam ho with excellence and I am doing the things other than my profile, which you should appreciate.
He said agar aisa hai to phir aap director se baat karo ham se mat bolo. I said i have no problem with this but if i m initiating then you have to understand the thing from your part also and you should take initiative for the same. And all spread into an argument, which was supported by a gentlemen named (A), who already known to me for last 10 years. He is operation manager over there. Director was present and listening the argument there but didn’t interfere at that time .
We both “A” and I started the career at the same time. Initially he was addressed me "bhaiya" now he was calling me by my name. He was the person who had given the input about me to Director that he is not a good guy, always create problem and play a role of “apple of discord” between the employees etc. at the time of his interview. And you will not believe that they refused my employment at the very first day of my joining and said ki abhi ek director se aur baat hogi tab aap ka appointment final hoga, I said ke madam this is not the professionalism I have given the resign to my present job. Again they called me to join and I joined the company after ignoring all unethical treatment of that co. Actually there is a amalgamation of 4-5 persons , those already known to each other. Even Director, Gm – operation, mgr- assitt operation mgr were together working in a reputed co. i don’t want to mention the name of co. I was the single person outside from that bunch although I am also familiar with one or above said person because of my earlier employment.
Here I want to mention here that I helped "A"in many a times whether it is a matter for updating of his CV, telephonic support, other ways and means of different basic labour issues regarding PF-ESIC and leave etc. I thought him how to fill the recruitment forms, how to prepare the attendance registers and all. All was just a gesture towards his growth nothing else. But during my short tenure i never ever told him the same. About his views about me, which he has given to director I want to tell you that he has worked with me in my past company and he was kicked out by the employer because of his unlimited unethical approach and misconducts. Again I don’t feel good to give elaboration on that, I wish him all the good luck for his good deeds. On the other hand I am not sure whether he understand or not the meaning of good deeds.
Come to the conclusion of this Pain:
After that argument with both I had left the office for the day with outgoing entry in the specified register without any further discussion with anyone. At home i realized that perhaps this is not the time to quit as salaries to be prepared and billing also to be done. I wrote a SMS to my director that i cannot work with these circumstance and you are requested to make my F& F by tomorrow as i don’t want to stretch the issue. I was hoping that he will call me and ask me with all “Gussa and Pyaar” but he didn't reply me. Very next day I called the person who recommended me and requested to make the things with all smoothness and specially requested that if co. or director wants then they can cut my august 2-3 days salary, if they want I can still prepare salary and other pending work without any salary and director can ask any rectification from my side and finally convey my apology to the director sir. After 2-3 calls he has also opted the same route and not picking my phone. I called his father to tell his son that there is not any issue of him and if he feels any problem then say sorry to him from my side. He also opted the same route after my 2 calls. After a day Director called me that you F&F will be done of Friday 13 Aug, I said Ok sir no problem and meanwhile i will do some pending and prominent work for your organization as per the moral responsibility as there is no any HR person right now.
On Thursday I called the director and ask for Friday F&F he said my wife is ill bez of Dengu and i m not visiting the office in normal course. I told him no problem sir you can instruct anybody in the office I will collect the requirement from office with my F& F and will do the required things. After all efforts i received a call from office (she is mgr admin over there) asked me r u coming to office on Friday for pending work. I told her yes but you have to make my F& F at the same time she said that will be done on Monday. I requested her to make the part payment, as right now i m jobless and i have to fulfill my family responsibility rest payment you can do as per ur ease. She was very rude and finally she told me to call you back after the consultation with the Director, but she didn't call me again till today. I wrote a SMS to director again to assess the need and again asked for part payment. He also didn't reply till today its 2 PM. I am still waiting for his call or instructions.
Now lots of other thing i wanted to mention here but its already too lengthy. At the end of this u r requested to let me, what is ur opinion about the whole description. You are most welcome if you want to criticize me.
Finally I want to thank you for your goodness to spend your precious time towards my pain. Believe me I feel very calm from my heart after discussing / expressing all with you.
With Huge Regards
Vikas Kumar
Note: I have requested with all my efforts towards the director. I have sent more than 12 SMS to him in the expectation of his kindness.
From India, New Delhi
Hello Vikas,
Frankly, I strongly feel you need to take professional help ASAP--from some psychologist [NOT psychiatrist].
It's more about how to handle situations rather than fretting about who or what is going/doing wrong.
What's in YOUR hands is YOUR RESPONSE [pl note I am NOT using the word--REACTION, since it is different from response] to whatever happens around you. What the others do or say ISN'T IN YOUR HANDS--so no point or use to worry about what's not in your hands. Today it's this situation--tomorrow it could be another.
Pl checkout for someone near to your place, fix up an appointment & meet the psychologist ASAP. And also pl be prepared to have an extended session as well as Treatment, since such things take time. Also, suggest you don't tell anyone about it to anyone to begin with--you can inform others later.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Frankly, I strongly feel you need to take professional help ASAP--from some psychologist [NOT psychiatrist].
It's more about how to handle situations rather than fretting about who or what is going/doing wrong.
What's in YOUR hands is YOUR RESPONSE [pl note I am NOT using the word--REACTION, since it is different from response] to whatever happens around you. What the others do or say ISN'T IN YOUR HANDS--so no point or use to worry about what's not in your hands. Today it's this situation--tomorrow it could be another.
Pl checkout for someone near to your place, fix up an appointment & meet the psychologist ASAP. And also pl be prepared to have an extended session as well as Treatment, since such things take time. Also, suggest you don't tell anyone about it to anyone to begin with--you can inform others later.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
TS, thanks for your outstanding reply,
I am not feeling upset with your reply as this may be ur opinion, U said that
"What the others do or say ISN'T IN YOUR HANDS--so no point or use to worry about what's not in your hands. Today it's this situation--tomorrow it could be another."
Very true it is same like if anybody in your society (mohalla) abusing to any dear-near of you and you says whats in my hand i cannot do anything then it happens again tomorrow with your closed one then also u should suggest yourself and the other to go for psychologist treatment.
I agree with your point if you are not capable enough to protest and firm enough to set your point of view then you should go for such treatments.
For your kind information I have been working for last 10 years with this "Bimari" and growing day by day with receiving Best employee of the month award many a times in past.
Discussion with the seniors and juniors like you only for the mean that nobody should face this kind of treatment in future. Employer also can have the idea and may be they will provide more conducive atmosphere to the employees.
Anyways thanks again for ur suggestion.
"Agar aap burai ke khilaf nahi bolo ge to phir achchiye kaise jeetegi"
Regards
Vikas Kumar
Long description will result in such way "Its Amazing"
From India, New Delhi
I am not feeling upset with your reply as this may be ur opinion, U said that
"What the others do or say ISN'T IN YOUR HANDS--so no point or use to worry about what's not in your hands. Today it's this situation--tomorrow it could be another."
Very true it is same like if anybody in your society (mohalla) abusing to any dear-near of you and you says whats in my hand i cannot do anything then it happens again tomorrow with your closed one then also u should suggest yourself and the other to go for psychologist treatment.
I agree with your point if you are not capable enough to protest and firm enough to set your point of view then you should go for such treatments.
For your kind information I have been working for last 10 years with this "Bimari" and growing day by day with receiving Best employee of the month award many a times in past.
Discussion with the seniors and juniors like you only for the mean that nobody should face this kind of treatment in future. Employer also can have the idea and may be they will provide more conducive atmosphere to the employees.
Anyways thanks again for ur suggestion.
"Agar aap burai ke khilaf nahi bolo ge to phir achchiye kaise jeetegi"
Regards
Vikas Kumar
Long description will result in such way "Its Amazing"
From India, New Delhi
Dear Mr. Vikas,
Such incidences happen mostly in small organizations, as happened with you.
As such, there is no particular solution to your problem, u also know that.
What u can do is: Start looking for another job, and if u get selectd somewhere, u should tell that organization about your current problems. and ask them, if they can accept the relieving letter of your earlier oraganization.
In such cases, companies are not very keen to give clearance so easily. Some companies dont provide any relieving letter or F & F only. As this is a small co, not properly established, they will do their best, not to release your salary. Best ways, of obtaining your salalry is, to work silently till month end, withdraw ur salary, take the salary slip and then resign.
So that, it will help u out in ur next job.
The kind of management u mentioned in ur post, there is only possibility that, they will not release u so easily. So, u need to play diplomatic, if u cant get ur work done through a strainght approach.
I hope this solution will help u.
Regards,
purnima
From India, Mumbai
Such incidences happen mostly in small organizations, as happened with you.
As such, there is no particular solution to your problem, u also know that.
What u can do is: Start looking for another job, and if u get selectd somewhere, u should tell that organization about your current problems. and ask them, if they can accept the relieving letter of your earlier oraganization.
In such cases, companies are not very keen to give clearance so easily. Some companies dont provide any relieving letter or F & F only. As this is a small co, not properly established, they will do their best, not to release your salary. Best ways, of obtaining your salalry is, to work silently till month end, withdraw ur salary, take the salary slip and then resign.
So that, it will help u out in ur next job.
The kind of management u mentioned in ur post, there is only possibility that, they will not release u so easily. So, u need to play diplomatic, if u cant get ur work done through a strainght approach.
I hope this solution will help u.
Regards,
purnima
From India, Mumbai
Hi Vikas,
I have gone through the entire communication above.Apart from sympathy , i am surprised that an employee of the month trice with a 10 years of experience has fallen to such a pity situation. Think 100 times before u join any organization specially a new set up. And pls do not rely on the personal relations or known ones for your career.
Everything said and done, you will have to start fresh.Write email to your employer keeping others in CC about the whole episode and ask for your relieving procedure to be smoothened.If you get a reply good, else send a follow up mail.(do you have an appointment letter from the company). TAke the copy of the mail and appt letter to the labour court and file a case if you really want fight back(many don't have the courage and time to do so).
I am sure you are capable so attend interviews, tell them the reason for the bitter fallout, you can show them the email that you have sent to your employer as proof. I am sure there are companies who hire for talent.
Hope this suffices your worry.
From India, Mumbai
I have gone through the entire communication above.Apart from sympathy , i am surprised that an employee of the month trice with a 10 years of experience has fallen to such a pity situation. Think 100 times before u join any organization specially a new set up. And pls do not rely on the personal relations or known ones for your career.
Everything said and done, you will have to start fresh.Write email to your employer keeping others in CC about the whole episode and ask for your relieving procedure to be smoothened.If you get a reply good, else send a follow up mail.(do you have an appointment letter from the company). TAke the copy of the mail and appt letter to the labour court and file a case if you really want fight back(many don't have the courage and time to do so).
I am sure you are capable so attend interviews, tell them the reason for the bitter fallout, you can show them the email that you have sent to your employer as proof. I am sure there are companies who hire for talent.
Hope this suffices your worry.
From India, Mumbai
First of all my sincere thanks to both of you, not for reply but to understand the incident.
Purnima: As you said its true that somehow you have to be more diplomatic, but I never ever thought to be like this. I always try to give more than 100% irrespective of size of organisation. But from now onwards i will try to follow ur suggestion and will keep in mind all the advise given by your goodness.
IInd Person: Sir / Madam, I was not expecting any sympathy towards me, I have raised the point for knowing that what were my faults into all. And people will come and protest these kind of treatment in office/s. You have also rightly said that if you are capable to face further interviews with all logical reasoning then anybody can get another job. Apart from this ur suggestion, not to rely on personal relation: (I thought mene bhi bahoot logo ko job diliye hai to mere sath sayad aisa nahi hoga). Your advise also will be very helpful for me in any further executions.
At the end of this I feel good that people are still having concerns with others' problems and pain. MANY MANY THANKS AGAIN
Regards
Vikas Kumar
From India, New Delhi
Purnima: As you said its true that somehow you have to be more diplomatic, but I never ever thought to be like this. I always try to give more than 100% irrespective of size of organisation. But from now onwards i will try to follow ur suggestion and will keep in mind all the advise given by your goodness.
IInd Person: Sir / Madam, I was not expecting any sympathy towards me, I have raised the point for knowing that what were my faults into all. And people will come and protest these kind of treatment in office/s. You have also rightly said that if you are capable to face further interviews with all logical reasoning then anybody can get another job. Apart from this ur suggestion, not to rely on personal relation: (I thought mene bhi bahoot logo ko job diliye hai to mere sath sayad aisa nahi hoga). Your advise also will be very helpful for me in any further executions.
At the end of this I feel good that people are still having concerns with others' problems and pain. MANY MANY THANKS AGAIN
Regards
Vikas Kumar
From India, New Delhi
Dear Vikas,
Thanks for sharing such experience. I do had one of seniors in HOD capacity faced same situation and ultimately had to resign without having a job in hand and finally got a good job after sometime. Do not worry, you have already accepted the worst and have nothing more to loss. Now, whatever happens, will be for good only. "Kitni lambe raat ho, din to fir bhee aayega" Wish you a happy life ahead.
Regards,
From India, Delhi
Thanks for sharing such experience. I do had one of seniors in HOD capacity faced same situation and ultimately had to resign without having a job in hand and finally got a good job after sometime. Do not worry, you have already accepted the worst and have nothing more to loss. Now, whatever happens, will be for good only. "Kitni lambe raat ho, din to fir bhee aayega" Wish you a happy life ahead.
Regards,
From India, Delhi
Dear Vikas,
I read your posting. It is really shame on their part treating HR professional like this. HR is not just a Human Resource, it is a capital to the company, they don't know the value of that Capital. They are not really fit for having a HR Professional. I really didn't like their treatment right for the beginning as you wrote above.
That is where I always believe in process driven company than a person driven company. In Process driven company, no one can stop ans employee Salary/F&F. We try to protect/help the company not to effect by Statutory issues/Labour issues, when the same issue comes to an HR Professional!! Your case should definitely bring to labour court, if you really wanna bring some change in the attitude of the Companies/Management. When we start a company we should get registered with all Statutory/establishments as per the Companies Act and Rules & Regulations. We should also get this awareness among the Management, and make the company process driven, to not to suffer employees when they join and when they leave.
Employees are always like assets to the company, and are appreciable. Treating HR Mgr of having 10 yrs is really worst..... you should let them know their mistake.......
From India, Hyderabad
I read your posting. It is really shame on their part treating HR professional like this. HR is not just a Human Resource, it is a capital to the company, they don't know the value of that Capital. They are not really fit for having a HR Professional. I really didn't like their treatment right for the beginning as you wrote above.
That is where I always believe in process driven company than a person driven company. In Process driven company, no one can stop ans employee Salary/F&F. We try to protect/help the company not to effect by Statutory issues/Labour issues, when the same issue comes to an HR Professional!! Your case should definitely bring to labour court, if you really wanna bring some change in the attitude of the Companies/Management. When we start a company we should get registered with all Statutory/establishments as per the Companies Act and Rules & Regulations. We should also get this awareness among the Management, and make the company process driven, to not to suffer employees when they join and when they leave.
Employees are always like assets to the company, and are appreciable. Treating HR Mgr of having 10 yrs is really worst..... you should let them know their mistake.......
From India, Hyderabad
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